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	<title>Comments on: Favourite places and the people that inhabit them: heritage spots and Granville dance parties&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew VPSN</title>
		<link>https://vancouverpublicspace.ca/2011/02/24/favourite-places-and-the-people-that-inhabit-them-heritage-spots-and-granville-dance-parties/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew VPSN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 06:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@LB,

Fair point… the term does get used quite broadly: covering everything from design considerations around ensuring that the space is flexible and supportive of “different activities” (in an open-ended sort of way), to the more prescriptive notions around the sorts of activities that ought to take place in a space (a ‘programme of events’… though not so regimented as all that). 

I do think that there’s also a lot of the latter approach that weaves through planner discourse these days… one that comes with the urge to recreate some of the cool aspects that exist on streets elsewhere in the world.  There’s a real desire to create lively, open streets that comes without realizing that the truly organic sort of liveliness isn’t something that can be manufactured… it has to evolve. (Which is not to say that you can’t do wonders in a short time frame – witness New York!). 

The ‘cool streets’ that people often visit on their travels have a certain element of friendly chaos on them, randomness, bits of “grit” (to use Matt Hern’s favourite term). They may be regulated, and they may be programmed, but they also are a little more laissez-faire too… and thus have a richer identity and more of a life of their own. That was my point, really, that there’s a sweet spot between planning and over-planning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LB,</p>
<p>Fair point… the term does get used quite broadly: covering everything from design considerations around ensuring that the space is flexible and supportive of “different activities” (in an open-ended sort of way), to the more prescriptive notions around the sorts of activities that ought to take place in a space (a ‘programme of events’… though not so regimented as all that). </p>
<p>I do think that there’s also a lot of the latter approach that weaves through planner discourse these days… one that comes with the urge to recreate some of the cool aspects that exist on streets elsewhere in the world.  There’s a real desire to create lively, open streets that comes without realizing that the truly organic sort of liveliness isn’t something that can be manufactured… it has to evolve. (Which is not to say that you can’t do wonders in a short time frame – witness New York!). </p>
<p>The ‘cool streets’ that people often visit on their travels have a certain element of friendly chaos on them, randomness, bits of “grit” (to use Matt Hern’s favourite term). They may be regulated, and they may be programmed, but they also are a little more laissez-faire too… and thus have a richer identity and more of a life of their own. That was my point, really, that there’s a sweet spot between planning and over-planning.</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s interesting - I don&#039;t view the phrase &quot;programming public space&quot; in planner speak to mean literally programming a schedule of activities... I&#039;ve always understood it to mean designing a space to support activities and encouraging activities to happen.  that can include - ensuring there is appropriate furnishings, identifying partner community organizations that want to use the space, ensuring power/water supplies are available, removing regulatory barriers, zoning appropriate land uses to front onto the space, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting &#8211; I don&#8217;t view the phrase &#8220;programming public space&#8221; in planner speak to mean literally programming a schedule of activities&#8230; I&#8217;ve always understood it to mean designing a space to support activities and encouraging activities to happen.  that can include &#8211; ensuring there is appropriate furnishings, identifying partner community organizations that want to use the space, ensuring power/water supplies are available, removing regulatory barriers, zoning appropriate land uses to front onto the space, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvonne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yvonne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re tethered to the No-Fun moniker in a few more ways than this, too.  
&lt;a / rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Steven Quinn &lt;/a&gt; just outlined another in the Globe -- getting downtown residents to accept the facts of living in a functioning urban, downtown core.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re tethered to the No-Fun moniker in a few more ways than this, too.<br />
<a / rel="nofollow"> Steven Quinn </a> just outlined another in the Globe &#8212; getting downtown residents to accept the facts of living in a functioning urban, downtown core.</p>
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		<title>By: darcy mcgee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[darcy mcgee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 05:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When did we leave no fun city? That wasn&#039;t Vancouver last year: it was Olympictown (a post national non geographic state)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did we leave no fun city? That wasn&#8217;t Vancouver last year: it was Olympictown (a post national non geographic state)</p>
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