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	<title>Comments on: Giving corporations a vote?</title>
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		<title>By: VPSN</title>
		<link>https://vancouverpublicspace.ca/2010/03/19/giving-corporations-a-vote/#comment-27</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since the Terms of Reference for the Local Elections Task Force include the issue of the &lt;em&gt;corporate &lt;/em&gt;vote, it’s difficult to restrict a comment to the vote amongst small and medium-sized businesses.  If we accept Mr. Bonney’s argument, and we use the practice during the 1970s as the model, we could find ourselves again with business owners having an unrestricted number of votes - an individual could vote in relation to his or her residence and (via an agent) in relation to as many corporations as he or she owned, thus garnering more than one vote within a single municipality.  Or, foreign owners and large chains with outlets throughout the province, could vote against provision of some municipal services (possibly everywhere within the province) which residents need but for which there is no business case for corporations.

There are many municipal services that are of benefit to both residents and businesses (e.g., roads and sidewalks, sewage systems, waterworks, fire and rescue services, and so on).  There are other municipal services that are of compelling need to residents and of little or no interest to corporations (e.g., libraries and parks, animal control).

Leaving aside the complexity of considering a vote for corporations local and foreign, large and small, it seems easy to foresee the possibility of residents’ needs being set aside because of the greater number of corporate voters, whose goals are vastly different than the goals of residents.

If reduction of business’ property taxes is the compelling argument in favour of the corporate vote, surely this matter could more appropriately be dealt with through the combined power of  businesses uniting in common cause through the Chamber of Commerce, the UBCM or other entities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the Terms of Reference for the Local Elections Task Force include the issue of the <em>corporate </em>vote, it’s difficult to restrict a comment to the vote amongst small and medium-sized businesses.  If we accept Mr. Bonney’s argument, and we use the practice during the 1970s as the model, we could find ourselves again with business owners having an unrestricted number of votes &#8211; an individual could vote in relation to his or her residence and (via an agent) in relation to as many corporations as he or she owned, thus garnering more than one vote within a single municipality.  Or, foreign owners and large chains with outlets throughout the province, could vote against provision of some municipal services (possibly everywhere within the province) which residents need but for which there is no business case for corporations.</p>
<p>There are many municipal services that are of benefit to both residents and businesses (e.g., roads and sidewalks, sewage systems, waterworks, fire and rescue services, and so on).  There are other municipal services that are of compelling need to residents and of little or no interest to corporations (e.g., libraries and parks, animal control).</p>
<p>Leaving aside the complexity of considering a vote for corporations local and foreign, large and small, it seems easy to foresee the possibility of residents’ needs being set aside because of the greater number of corporate voters, whose goals are vastly different than the goals of residents.</p>
<p>If reduction of business’ property taxes is the compelling argument in favour of the corporate vote, surely this matter could more appropriately be dealt with through the combined power of  businesses uniting in common cause through the Chamber of Commerce, the UBCM or other entities.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Bonney</title>
		<link>https://vancouverpublicspace.ca/2010/03/19/giving-corporations-a-vote/#comment-26</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Up until 1993, BC’s small businesses could vote in municipal elections. This ability to vote recognised the contributions that small and medium-sized businesses make to the economy and to our communities in general. The decision to rescind the business vote was an historic mistake that must be corrected. 

Like the Boston Tea Party, this is primarily an issue of taxation without representation. BC’s small businesses are being taxed to the breaking point by municipal governments. Over-taxed and under-represented, small and medium sized businesses are the backbone of BC’s economy. If residents in BC were being taxed like businesses are, there would be a tax revolt.

Small and medium sized businesses account for a majority of all businesses in BC and more than one third of our gross domestic product. A vast majority are small businesses with fewer than five employees, and together they employ over 50 per cent of BC’s private-sector workforce. 

These small “ma &amp; pa” business owners take tremendous personal risks that drive the economy and benefit society in general.

Historically in Canada, citizens were granted the right to vote based on property and taxation. During the 1970s, the provincial government in BC recognised this same right for businesses based on the principle of “no taxation without representation”. This right was taken away from businesses in 1993.

Businesses in BC are paying more than four times the property taxes that residents do on the same value property. Yet, they are consuming far less of the services those taxes pay for. - And then they pay for garbage collection on top of that! Is this fair? 

What businesses are essentially asking for through the return of the business vote is fairness in representation. 

You should also explore what businesses do for our communities, how they employ and retain our citizens even during recessions, how they contribute to non-profits and integrate themselves into, and help benefit the communities where we work, live and play. 

Take a look at a local soccer field or baseball diamond. The uniforms the kids are wearing are probably donated by a local business. The coach is likely an employee a local business is paying for but let go early to teach the kids.

Despite this, we give businesses no tangible, truly meaningful representation in our local governments. 

It is time to restore a single vote for these small businesses that help drive our economy, employ us and give back to our communities. If we did, businesses would get one vote for every ten of ours. This seems fair to me.

Brian Bonney]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up until 1993, BC’s small businesses could vote in municipal elections. This ability to vote recognised the contributions that small and medium-sized businesses make to the economy and to our communities in general. The decision to rescind the business vote was an historic mistake that must be corrected. </p>
<p>Like the Boston Tea Party, this is primarily an issue of taxation without representation. BC’s small businesses are being taxed to the breaking point by municipal governments. Over-taxed and under-represented, small and medium sized businesses are the backbone of BC’s economy. If residents in BC were being taxed like businesses are, there would be a tax revolt.</p>
<p>Small and medium sized businesses account for a majority of all businesses in BC and more than one third of our gross domestic product. A vast majority are small businesses with fewer than five employees, and together they employ over 50 per cent of BC’s private-sector workforce. </p>
<p>These small “ma &amp; pa” business owners take tremendous personal risks that drive the economy and benefit society in general.</p>
<p>Historically in Canada, citizens were granted the right to vote based on property and taxation. During the 1970s, the provincial government in BC recognised this same right for businesses based on the principle of “no taxation without representation”. This right was taken away from businesses in 1993.</p>
<p>Businesses in BC are paying more than four times the property taxes that residents do on the same value property. Yet, they are consuming far less of the services those taxes pay for. &#8211; And then they pay for garbage collection on top of that! Is this fair? </p>
<p>What businesses are essentially asking for through the return of the business vote is fairness in representation. </p>
<p>You should also explore what businesses do for our communities, how they employ and retain our citizens even during recessions, how they contribute to non-profits and integrate themselves into, and help benefit the communities where we work, live and play. </p>
<p>Take a look at a local soccer field or baseball diamond. The uniforms the kids are wearing are probably donated by a local business. The coach is likely an employee a local business is paying for but let go early to teach the kids.</p>
<p>Despite this, we give businesses no tangible, truly meaningful representation in our local governments. </p>
<p>It is time to restore a single vote for these small businesses that help drive our economy, employ us and give back to our communities. If we did, businesses would get one vote for every ten of ours. This seems fair to me.</p>
<p>Brian Bonney</p>
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